{"id":2463,"date":"2014-01-08T23:03:47","date_gmt":"2014-01-08T23:03:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.piglet-net.net\/pigblog\/?p=2463"},"modified":"2014-01-08T23:03:47","modified_gmt":"2014-01-08T23:03:47","slug":"braking-the-gears","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.piglet-net.net\/pigblog\/?p=2463","title":{"rendered":"Braking the Gears"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This might bore some, but I guarantee one or two people will find this interesting.<\/p>\n<p>My car is now over 7 years old, and approaching 100k miles. That&#8217;s not the magic figure it used to be, but you have to accept a few things will fail- so, outside of the consumables, I&#8217;ve had a (surprisingly pricey) gear lever, a similarly pricey <a href=\"http:\/\/www.piglet-net.net\/pigblog\/?p=2171\">blower motor<\/a>, a few suspension bushes, a dual-mass flywheel, and now, a sensor with a surprising symptom.<\/p>\n<p>The surprising symptom was the <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Direct-Shift_Gearbox\">DSG<\/a> gearbox getting increasingly reluctant to change up when in D (full-auto) mode, back in October. No codes stored, and a manual change avoided it.<\/p>\n<p>The fear at this point is a mechatronics failure- <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ecutesting.com\/vw_and_audi_dsg_gearbox_ecu.html\">the unit is pricey<\/a>, even refurbished, but that seems unlikely, given the change works manually, and a mechatronics failure is usally a bit more obvious.<\/p>\n<p>Fortunately, someone had been here before, and I remembered his post on good old usenet, describing the symptoms, and dropped him an email. His answer:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nI&#8217;ve got no fault codes but the symptoms sound a bit similar.  In my case , the problem turned out to be a corroded sensor ring on one of the rear wheels.<\/p>\n<p>Replacement wasn&#8217;t cheap though.  It seems that wheel bearings etc also had to be replaced.  Still, a lot cheaper than a gearbox repair.<\/p>\n<p>For some reason the defective sensor input to the gearbox was screwing up it&#8217;s speed assessment but wasn&#8217;t triggering any warning lights.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Changing them isn&#8217;t cheap, as he said: a quality part is around \u00a3100, and the fault was very intermittent, so I left it, changing manually if needed. I had to wait until today- when the gearbox suddenly decided that 1st was appropriate at 15-20mph (1st being very, very low in DSG cars), got all confused, decided it wasn&#8217;t again, then; finally, lit up the ABS, stability control, and tyre pressure warning lamps, then drove normally. Code stored was:<\/p>\n<p><code><br \/>\nAddress 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl<br \/>\n   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AA    HW: 1K0 907 379 AA<br \/>\n   Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0102<br \/>\n   Revision: 00H13001<br \/>\n   Coding: 0006786<br \/>\n   Shop #: WSC 06441 785 00200<br \/>\n   VCID: 71E3A0F868F54B966BD-8024<\/p>\n<p>1 Fault Found:<br \/>\n00287 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Rear Right (G44)<br \/>\n            003 - Mechanical Failure<br \/>\n<\/code><\/p>\n<p>This is odd. ABS causes no upchange? Previous searching had <a href=\"http:\/\/www.seatcupra.net\/forums\/showthread.php?t=317117\">thrown up this (read post number 4)<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The gearbox, in collusion with the ABS and stability ECU, will refuse to change up if the speed signal from the rear wheels (which it gets over <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/CANbus\">CANbus<\/a>) seems odd, or confuses it into thinking you&#8217;re cornering (because you don&#8217;t want an unexpected upchange half way around a corner). Sane enough, I suppose, but very unexpected, and, of course, not going to show up on a manual car- it seems the gearbox starts getting confused way before the ABS controller decides the input is dodgy, so a manual car would drive normally until the dash lights appeared.<\/p>\n<p>This oddity is going to be common to cars on the <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Volkswagen_Group_A_platform#A5\">PQ35 platform<\/a>&#8211; my correspondent above had a VW Touran:<\/p>\n<p>    Audi A3 Mk2 (8P)<br \/>\n    Audi TT Mk2 (8J)[1]<br \/>\n    Volkswagen Touran (1T)<br \/>\n    Volkswagen Caddy (2K)<br \/>\n    SEAT Altea (5P)<br \/>\n    Volkswagen Golf Mk5 \/ GTI \/ R32 \/ Rabbit Mk5 (1K)<br \/>\n    \u0160koda Octavia Mk2 (1Z)<br \/>\n    Volkswagen Golf Plus (5M)<br \/>\n    SEAT Toledo Mk3 (5P)<br \/>\n    Volkswagen Jetta Mk5 (1K)<br \/>\n    SEAT Le\u00f3n Mk2 (1P)<br \/>\n    Volkswagen Tiguan (5N)<br \/>\n    Volkswagen Scirocco (13)<br \/>\n    Volkswagen Golf Mk6 (5K)<br \/>\n    \u0160koda Yeti (5L)<br \/>\n    Volkswagen Jetta Mk6 (1K), (16)<br \/>\n    Audi Q3 (8U)<br \/>\n    Volkswagen Beetle (16)<\/p>\n<p>and maybe others, with a DSG gearbox and that design of rear hub (it seems the wheel bearing, sensor ring, and hub are one assembly).<\/p>\n<p>It does say something (again) about the complex, networked nature of modernish cars. The concept of a sensor in the braking system affecting gearchange is a bit non-obvious, but when you have sensors there anyway, required for (legally mandatory) ABS, and a network to talk over, may as well use them, huh?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This might bore some, but I guarantee one or two people will find this interesting. My car is now over 7 years old, and approaching 100k miles. That&#8217;s not the magic figure it used to be, but you have to accept a few things will fail- so, outside of the consumables, I&#8217;ve had a (surprisingly &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.piglet-net.net\/pigblog\/?p=2463\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Braking the Gears<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[6],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2463","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-cars-driving"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.piglet-net.net\/pigblog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2463","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.piglet-net.net\/pigblog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.piglet-net.net\/pigblog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.piglet-net.net\/pigblog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.piglet-net.net\/pigblog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2463"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.piglet-net.net\/pigblog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2463\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.piglet-net.net\/pigblog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2463"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.piglet-net.net\/pigblog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=2463"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.piglet-net.net\/pigblog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=2463"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}